Minecraft got me. Suddenly, unexspected. I have no idea why. Combat in Minecraft is rudimentary at best. I play it in single player right now, with the usual psychological penalthies to 'meaning'.
The graphics are .. not even rudimentary: They are terrbile. I usually don't care about architecture and I am not really a builder in any MMORPG. And still, I cannot stop thinking about about how to keep those monsters off. Another moat? A stair to the sky? How deep can I dig? Did I find a dungeon!! Another trap for monsters? How can I get the cattle inside the fence? Is it night again? I need more coal!
If this game doesn't have some influence on virtual worlds I seriously don't know what will! Think about this kind of gameplay wrapped inside a meaningful virtual world!
Do you know how expensive it is to have designers create castles for you and allow you to put them on some prepared ground? Very expensive - and inferior! Let the community build the castle! Give me rights to touch that part of the castle, add guards so other players cannot touch our castle without repercussions .. Slow everything down a bit, make the cubes smaller, and .. grand new world ;)
Honesty, take the sandbox from minecraft, the item crafting from "A Tale in the Desert", the combat gameplay from Word of Warcraft and the economy and community building from EVE Online. Put everything inside a polished(!) AAA-MMORPG virtual world and you will drown in money! This game is a milestone in C-gaming. I'd almost call it next-gen virtual world, if that weren't so silly.
If you haven't bought minecraft yet, do it now! Those 15€ are really, really worth it! Even if only for understanding what everybody is talking about. Just take a look at the tutorial videos on the page and off you go. Don't miss this.
Monday, January 31, 2011
Friday, January 28, 2011
Sandboxes Without Sand
When you read MMORPG-related blogs you will occasionally stumble across one that tells you that WoW is actually not just a great themepark, but quite a good sandbox, too. You just need to make it one! It is all in your head. The blogs usually argue that you can, for example, explore.
But exploring is not really something sandbox specific. After all, you can also explore a box without sand if it has any interesting, but fixed, structure inside. Can be fun, is fun for a while in WoW, but sandbox? No.
Alternatively, you can skill a profession while at any level. But training a profession doesn't really change the sand in the box. It just changes you. And nobody sane would deny that WoW gives the player ways to change his character. The entire endgame is about building a char with the help of loot. But sandbox? No.
What else can you do? Mmh.. you can hunt mobs. Old style grinding! Sandbox? Not really. Killing mobs in WoW is like a quantum fluctuation in real life. For a short time you can remove the mob from the world and then BÄM. There it is again. It is like removing a corn of sand, and a few moment later the corn respawns where it was and always will be.
Sometimes 'sandbox' is confused with 'emergent gameplay'. After all you can contact a few buddies, go to Stormwind, pick some guys on the way and kill some peoples' characters. Yeah. I agree that WoW offers a bit of emergent gameplay. Blizzard couldn't completely stop players from doing something else than collecting loot in instances. But while emergent gameplay may be something typically associated with sandboxes, it actually doesn't even require any sand. So, emergent gameplay is great, but, on its own, doesn't make a game a sandbox.
What else? Let me think.
In WoW you can create a guild. By creating and shaping guilds, players in WoW can shape their community. So the box allows the players to not only be inside, but also create relationships. That is not too bad unless, unless.. every MMO I have ever known allows you to create guilds! And, sandbox? Well, where's the sand in that?
Recently people came up with a new type of sandbox gameplay: Phasing. You have an influence on the world! You kill that guy and the world changes. Now.. that is hard. Because, because .. this is some kind of phantom sand. Sand that can be rearranged, but only by you and if you do it, the changes are only visible to you. Look, the point about a sandbox is not that you can rearrange the sand on your monitor, but on other peoples' monitors. And that is exactly what phasing doesn't do.
What if we ignore quests? Wouldn't WoW be a sandbox if nobody told you what to do? Well, no. Look, sandbox means "box with sand". It doesn't mean that there's nothing to do. In fact, most games that are referred to as sandbox have quests, sometimes called missions. The difference between a sandbox and a themepark is not that the sandbox doesn't offer you something to do, but that you can reshape the sand in the sandbox. Try moving that water track over there in a themepark. Doesn't work. Guided gameplay is usually associated with themeparks and unguided is associated with sandboxes, but that's really not the difference between the two.
So is WoW a sandbox? Now, that really depends on what a sandbox is. I mean, metaphorically spoken WoW is a box. I agree. I also agree that there might be sand. Unfortunately this sand has been submerged in some kind of gluten. You cannot change the shape of the sand! It is all fixed! All you can do is change yourself or shape the social relationships of the various players in the box.
Now, changing your character can be fun. Quite obviously it is fun for millions of players! But that is just not a sandbox. A sandbox allows you to change the way the sand is arranged. That is why we use sand in sandboxes and not styrofoam. Even though a box filled with styrofoam can be very fun to explore if it is just large enough.
A fantasy sandbox allows you to create castles, declare borders, remove trees, build houses, build ships,..
And, usually a sandbox also allows you to destroy all of that, because otherwise all the sand of the box would eventually be used up and there has been something built everywhere. Now, that would look rather terrible and also prevent people from creating new stuff. So the sandbox ceased to a be a sandbox.
I hope the next time you read some blog about how you can remove all content from WoW to make it a sandbox you know better. A sandbox, actually, can offer a themepark within. Some part made of styrofoam. It doesn't hurt and can even help with accessibility. But there is certainly no such thing like a sandbox without any sand. And removing styrofoam doesn't add any sand.
But exploring is not really something sandbox specific. After all, you can also explore a box without sand if it has any interesting, but fixed, structure inside. Can be fun, is fun for a while in WoW, but sandbox? No.
Alternatively, you can skill a profession while at any level. But training a profession doesn't really change the sand in the box. It just changes you. And nobody sane would deny that WoW gives the player ways to change his character. The entire endgame is about building a char with the help of loot. But sandbox? No.
What else can you do? Mmh.. you can hunt mobs. Old style grinding! Sandbox? Not really. Killing mobs in WoW is like a quantum fluctuation in real life. For a short time you can remove the mob from the world and then BÄM. There it is again. It is like removing a corn of sand, and a few moment later the corn respawns where it was and always will be.
Sometimes 'sandbox' is confused with 'emergent gameplay'. After all you can contact a few buddies, go to Stormwind, pick some guys on the way and kill some peoples' characters. Yeah. I agree that WoW offers a bit of emergent gameplay. Blizzard couldn't completely stop players from doing something else than collecting loot in instances. But while emergent gameplay may be something typically associated with sandboxes, it actually doesn't even require any sand. So, emergent gameplay is great, but, on its own, doesn't make a game a sandbox.
What else? Let me think.
In WoW you can create a guild. By creating and shaping guilds, players in WoW can shape their community. So the box allows the players to not only be inside, but also create relationships. That is not too bad unless, unless.. every MMO I have ever known allows you to create guilds! And, sandbox? Well, where's the sand in that?
Recently people came up with a new type of sandbox gameplay: Phasing. You have an influence on the world! You kill that guy and the world changes. Now.. that is hard. Because, because .. this is some kind of phantom sand. Sand that can be rearranged, but only by you and if you do it, the changes are only visible to you. Look, the point about a sandbox is not that you can rearrange the sand on your monitor, but on other peoples' monitors. And that is exactly what phasing doesn't do.
What if we ignore quests? Wouldn't WoW be a sandbox if nobody told you what to do? Well, no. Look, sandbox means "box with sand". It doesn't mean that there's nothing to do. In fact, most games that are referred to as sandbox have quests, sometimes called missions. The difference between a sandbox and a themepark is not that the sandbox doesn't offer you something to do, but that you can reshape the sand in the sandbox. Try moving that water track over there in a themepark. Doesn't work. Guided gameplay is usually associated with themeparks and unguided is associated with sandboxes, but that's really not the difference between the two.
So is WoW a sandbox? Now, that really depends on what a sandbox is. I mean, metaphorically spoken WoW is a box. I agree. I also agree that there might be sand. Unfortunately this sand has been submerged in some kind of gluten. You cannot change the shape of the sand! It is all fixed! All you can do is change yourself or shape the social relationships of the various players in the box.
Now, changing your character can be fun. Quite obviously it is fun for millions of players! But that is just not a sandbox. A sandbox allows you to change the way the sand is arranged. That is why we use sand in sandboxes and not styrofoam. Even though a box filled with styrofoam can be very fun to explore if it is just large enough.
A fantasy sandbox allows you to create castles, declare borders, remove trees, build houses, build ships,..
And, usually a sandbox also allows you to destroy all of that, because otherwise all the sand of the box would eventually be used up and there has been something built everywhere. Now, that would look rather terrible and also prevent people from creating new stuff. So the sandbox ceased to a be a sandbox.
I hope the next time you read some blog about how you can remove all content from WoW to make it a sandbox you know better. A sandbox, actually, can offer a themepark within. Some part made of styrofoam. It doesn't hurt and can even help with accessibility. But there is certainly no such thing like a sandbox without any sand. And removing styrofoam doesn't add any sand.
Thursday, January 27, 2011
Quoted for Truth
So my mom wanted to know when I got so good at writing. Well to me it's pretty obvious: I spent 5 years or so in various formats arguing with idiots about video games. It's a lot like leveling up weapon skill before they removed the Servants of Razelikh. Find a target which is immune to all attacks, or in the case of internet forums, facts and logic, and then fire away. You will never accomplish anything, but you'll get very good at it.
Just needed to link this. Damn,
Lylirra and the Information Curse
Lylirra, a blue poster at Blizzard wrote a comment a few days ago:
Join James Portnow, Daniel Floyd and Allison Theus from the Escapist Magazine made this stunning video some time ago.
Take your time ...
It was hard to find a title for this post, because it touches so many topics. I chose "Information Curse" once again, because that's really where it affects us, the consumers. As you can see Blizzard is not content with people having to look up things on the internet. And rightly so! New players should have all necessary information available without googling for them.
But how does Blizzard fight this problem? They just put everything in the client. All of it! I cannot really become upset anymore about my character knowing stuff about bosses he has never seen. This problem runs much deeper! It is not just some immersion problem. It is a fundamental gameplay problem, too! Extra Credits successfully demonstrate that except for calculations there are two ways to make choice interesting in games: Incomplete information and incomparables. What they miss to state is that for everybody who is bad enough at mathematics, every calculation becomes an incomparable. Unless, unless there is the internet!
This always was Blizzards big problem with talent trees and rotations and priority systems in World of Warcraft. With Cataclysm they sacrificed a lot of the talent tree mathematics (no problem, I guess) for a few more incomparables. But the real problem are not the talent trees, but the boss encounters. (Are there any other encounters in WoW? Sad! But another topic!)
Instead of telling you exactly what you need to do, Blizzard should try to add a few more incomparables. For example they could give DDs ways to take significantly less damage when dealing significant less dps and make encounters require them to do so!
But my favourite solution are Incomplete Information Problems! Also called: Unpredictability.
If you don't know whether the next boss does magic damage you have no way to optimize your talent tree. If you don't know whether the next encounter requires maximum dps or survivability or many tanks, you need to make an interesting decision. That decision must not be arbitrary. You should still have enough information to make an educated guess! It shouldn't feel like Ludo!
But by surrendering to the internet Blizzard let's go of an entire class of meaningful choices! And there are only two! Imagine what Incomplete Information Problems could accomplish in the context of an MMORPG! Stealth would gain a new meaning! Information gathering in general. Spells that (vaguely!) describe a mob's capabilities, clairvoyance, and much, much more. Unpredictability also makes games much more resistent to balance problems! If you don't know whether you need a paladin or a rogue, due to their special abilities, you'd better take both with you on the trip. Even if one of them is better 70% of the time, you might need the other one for the remaining 30%.
To say this very clearly: This is not about immersion (only). This is about pure gameplay choices. If you knew exactly the sequence of blocks in Tetris, Tetris became a calculation and you could look up the perfect 'moves' on the internet. You cannot, because Tetris demands that you make choices based on incomplete information. As does Soccer, Boxing, even Chess, because it is too complex to calculate! Can you come up with even one successful game that does not demand that the player makes choices based on incomplete information?
PS: Some of the Extra Credit Videos are extremely good. Have a look!
We're definitely looking into ways to add more information about raid and dungeon bosses directly into the game client. For example, as discussed at BlizzCon 2010 in the Raids and Dungeons panel, we're already discussing the possibility of incorporating loot tables and boss abilities into zone maps. While "enhanced maps" are still in their formative stages, we love the idea of a player being able to access a variety of information about a specific boss -- including what it drops, what abilities it has, and maybe even some lore about who it is and why everyone in Azeroth wants to kill it -- just by opening her map and mousing over an icon.
This is all still on the horizon, of course, and would likely be something that's implemented in stages. Nevertheless, we agree that the game could provide better tools for players who are adapting to new content and are currently working to bridge that gap for the future (in a meaningful way that doesn't undermine or spoil the experience).
Join James Portnow, Daniel Floyd and Allison Theus from the Escapist Magazine made this stunning video some time ago.
Take your time ...
It was hard to find a title for this post, because it touches so many topics. I chose "Information Curse" once again, because that's really where it affects us, the consumers. As you can see Blizzard is not content with people having to look up things on the internet. And rightly so! New players should have all necessary information available without googling for them.
But how does Blizzard fight this problem? They just put everything in the client. All of it! I cannot really become upset anymore about my character knowing stuff about bosses he has never seen. This problem runs much deeper! It is not just some immersion problem. It is a fundamental gameplay problem, too! Extra Credits successfully demonstrate that except for calculations there are two ways to make choice interesting in games: Incomplete information and incomparables. What they miss to state is that for everybody who is bad enough at mathematics, every calculation becomes an incomparable. Unless, unless there is the internet!
This always was Blizzards big problem with talent trees and rotations and priority systems in World of Warcraft. With Cataclysm they sacrificed a lot of the talent tree mathematics (no problem, I guess) for a few more incomparables. But the real problem are not the talent trees, but the boss encounters. (Are there any other encounters in WoW? Sad! But another topic!)
Instead of telling you exactly what you need to do, Blizzard should try to add a few more incomparables. For example they could give DDs ways to take significantly less damage when dealing significant less dps and make encounters require them to do so!
But my favourite solution are Incomplete Information Problems! Also called: Unpredictability.
If you don't know whether the next boss does magic damage you have no way to optimize your talent tree. If you don't know whether the next encounter requires maximum dps or survivability or many tanks, you need to make an interesting decision. That decision must not be arbitrary. You should still have enough information to make an educated guess! It shouldn't feel like Ludo!
But by surrendering to the internet Blizzard let's go of an entire class of meaningful choices! And there are only two! Imagine what Incomplete Information Problems could accomplish in the context of an MMORPG! Stealth would gain a new meaning! Information gathering in general. Spells that (vaguely!) describe a mob's capabilities, clairvoyance, and much, much more. Unpredictability also makes games much more resistent to balance problems! If you don't know whether you need a paladin or a rogue, due to their special abilities, you'd better take both with you on the trip. Even if one of them is better 70% of the time, you might need the other one for the remaining 30%.
To say this very clearly: This is not about immersion (only). This is about pure gameplay choices. If you knew exactly the sequence of blocks in Tetris, Tetris became a calculation and you could look up the perfect 'moves' on the internet. You cannot, because Tetris demands that you make choices based on incomplete information. As does Soccer, Boxing, even Chess, because it is too complex to calculate! Can you come up with even one successful game that does not demand that the player makes choices based on incomplete information?
PS: Some of the Extra Credit Videos are extremely good. Have a look!
Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Descartes, damn you!
Second post of the day. Not good. People will now ignore the first one. *thinking*. I am not here to grind commenters. Stupid!
First I'd like to document an idea so that I don't forget it: What about making CC (crowd control) a small minigame. Isn't it a pity that it is fire and forget at the moment?
Now to the unrelated main topic:
Am I kiddin' myself? Honestly, maybe I don't even want a MMORPG to be immersive or credible, or consistent or 'worldy' or fallout-like or whatever. Maybe I am a bit fatuous? I mean: I still play WoW. For the 6th (?) year in a row with some breaks, of course.
You know, if you have a blog that is about game design, but is mostly known for championing 'immersion' in MMORPGs, you are quite prone to stop having any doubts. After all I have a stake in this. This is not good.
Perhaps I actually love the LFD in WoW, would hate any travel without teleports and couldn't stand organizing a group to do any group content. One thing in my defense would be that I actually played and liked classic WoW. But Cataclysm wasn't available back then, so this argument reaches only so far.
I tried EVE online, but didn't like the UI, didn't like the RMT and didn't like the CPP mechanic. And that was enough to leave it? Come on! How many things do you claim to not like about WoW?
I tried Dawntide beta. Great concept, no money. Still have it installed. Discussed a lot in the forums. Some over there claimed that I was a WoW fanboy. Mmmh. I don't play Dawntide. The character animations were terrible.
I haven't even bothered to install Minecraft! The current showpiece of sandbox design. Why? Don't like the graphics. No, that is not shallow, I just don't have enough time to play all these ... indie projects.
I never tested A Tale in the Desert, even though it is a pretty good sandbox game as far as I know. But it doesn't offer combat and I am too simple minded to enjoy a game that is about architecture. I am the kind of guy who couldn't tell you the difference between New York and London unless the Eiffel Tower was in front of his eyes. I just don't care very much about how things look. .. What did I just say about Minecraft?
I tried Warhammer. Warhammer had relatively epic battles, server identity, I certainly had some fun for a month. Before I left, I wrote a forum rant that this game cannot have any future, because there was no endgame. I turned out to be correct, didn't I?
I stopped playing Age of Conan even before I reached max level, because I couldn't stand the monster grind at high levels. They all looked the same. But I sure would have loved original Everquest ...
Also the whole PvP was totally unbalanced and RvR was not working back then. Graphics were nice. I got a headache from the unimmersive light-show animations. Yeah! Clearly not immersive enough! Ha ha!
Life's hard sometimes. I should probably discuss more in the Dawntide forums to explain to these people that skill based character progression systems may be more immersive, but turn out to be too hard to balance.
Sometimes I get comments by people who are even more pro-immersion than I am. I am actually very serious about the "A MMORPG has to be as immersive, credible and consistent as possible and as little as necessary."
Trying to defend myself:
I like computer games. I liked Tetris, Super Mario, Duke Nukem, Doom, Quake, Sim City, Civilisation,...
I loved Counter Strike for the relentless realism. Most people don't often think about it, but Counter Strike is one of the most successful computer games ever. And it is a realism* approach par excellence!
Before Counter Strike, what do you think how those game studios had reacted to your proposal: "Headshots kill players instantly"? Well, Counter Strike made them stop laughing! Of course, that is not the reason for the popularity. The reason is the gameplay. But Counter Strike uses gameplay mechanics that allow the credibility, consistency and immersion to make it even better, doesn't it?
When discussing MMORPGs and thinking about the world vs. gameplay aspects I basically hope that someone manages to make a game like Counter Strike: Very immersive, convincing, credible, consistent and great gameplay inspired by these values!
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*'realism' is a special case that is very consistent, credibile and immersive. I usually try to avoid the word, as people instantly come up with the 'fireballs aren't realistic, either' statement.
First I'd like to document an idea so that I don't forget it: What about making CC (crowd control) a small minigame. Isn't it a pity that it is fire and forget at the moment?
Now to the unrelated main topic:
Am I kiddin' myself? Honestly, maybe I don't even want a MMORPG to be immersive or credible, or consistent or 'worldy' or fallout-like or whatever. Maybe I am a bit fatuous? I mean: I still play WoW. For the 6th (?) year in a row with some breaks, of course.
You know, if you have a blog that is about game design, but is mostly known for championing 'immersion' in MMORPGs, you are quite prone to stop having any doubts. After all I have a stake in this. This is not good.
Perhaps I actually love the LFD in WoW, would hate any travel without teleports and couldn't stand organizing a group to do any group content. One thing in my defense would be that I actually played and liked classic WoW. But Cataclysm wasn't available back then, so this argument reaches only so far.
I tried EVE online, but didn't like the UI, didn't like the RMT and didn't like the CPP mechanic. And that was enough to leave it? Come on! How many things do you claim to not like about WoW?
I tried Dawntide beta. Great concept, no money. Still have it installed. Discussed a lot in the forums. Some over there claimed that I was a WoW fanboy. Mmmh. I don't play Dawntide. The character animations were terrible.
I haven't even bothered to install Minecraft! The current showpiece of sandbox design. Why? Don't like the graphics. No, that is not shallow, I just don't have enough time to play all these ... indie projects.
I never tested A Tale in the Desert, even though it is a pretty good sandbox game as far as I know. But it doesn't offer combat and I am too simple minded to enjoy a game that is about architecture. I am the kind of guy who couldn't tell you the difference between New York and London unless the Eiffel Tower was in front of his eyes. I just don't care very much about how things look. .. What did I just say about Minecraft?
I tried Warhammer. Warhammer had relatively epic battles, server identity, I certainly had some fun for a month. Before I left, I wrote a forum rant that this game cannot have any future, because there was no endgame. I turned out to be correct, didn't I?
I stopped playing Age of Conan even before I reached max level, because I couldn't stand the monster grind at high levels. They all looked the same. But I sure would have loved original Everquest ...
Also the whole PvP was totally unbalanced and RvR was not working back then. Graphics were nice. I got a headache from the unimmersive light-show animations. Yeah! Clearly not immersive enough! Ha ha!
Life's hard sometimes. I should probably discuss more in the Dawntide forums to explain to these people that skill based character progression systems may be more immersive, but turn out to be too hard to balance.
Sometimes I get comments by people who are even more pro-immersion than I am. I am actually very serious about the "A MMORPG has to be as immersive, credible and consistent as possible and as little as necessary."
Trying to defend myself:
I like computer games. I liked Tetris, Super Mario, Duke Nukem, Doom, Quake, Sim City, Civilisation,...
I loved Counter Strike for the relentless realism. Most people don't often think about it, but Counter Strike is one of the most successful computer games ever. And it is a realism* approach par excellence!
Before Counter Strike, what do you think how those game studios had reacted to your proposal: "Headshots kill players instantly"? Well, Counter Strike made them stop laughing! Of course, that is not the reason for the popularity. The reason is the gameplay. But Counter Strike uses gameplay mechanics that allow the credibility, consistency and immersion to make it even better, doesn't it?
When discussing MMORPGs and thinking about the world vs. gameplay aspects I basically hope that someone manages to make a game like Counter Strike: Very immersive, convincing, credible, consistent and great gameplay inspired by these values!
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*'realism' is a special case that is very consistent, credibile and immersive. I usually try to avoid the word, as people instantly come up with the 'fireballs aren't realistic, either' statement.
Character Power Progression (CPP)
I have some topics in a queue right now, which happens rarely. There's just too much good stuff to blog about at the moment and I only have time for one post a day.
There's this brilliant post by "Killed in a Smiling Accident"
True heroism is remarkably sober, very undramatic.
He wonderfully described the obvious problem. But what is the solution?
Let's try to make a more abstract ansatz:
- Good gameplay is balanced. That is, it provides a reasonable challenge.
- MMORPGs use character power progression (CPP)
a) to move you through the 'story' in a predefined direction
b) to reward you (for hitting the buttons in the skinner box)
From these points it automatically follows that as your character becomes stronger, so must your enemies. WoW-WotLK actually tried to do it the other way: You would really overpower all your enemies the stronger you get. It was terrible gameplay in the open world, but especially in 'heroic' dungeons. And since good gameplay is the basis for any game, Blizzard rightfully corrected the issue.
The only screw left which we can turn to adjust the whole thing is the speed of the CPP. And here comes that big question: Isn't the CPP in most modern MMORPGs a bit too fast? Wouldn't it be better for gameplay and immersion alike to have a slower character power progression? Wouldn't it be ok to easily defeat that level 10 wolf, without totally annhilating it? Now that I am writing about it - I discussed this before. Have a look here - bullet point (4) and here.
Can you think of reasons for this extreme character power progression in current MMORPGs, other than the assumption that players want to 'feel' a jump in power everytime they pick up an item?
There's this brilliant post by "Killed in a Smiling Accident"
True heroism is remarkably sober, very undramatic.
He wonderfully described the obvious problem. But what is the solution?
Let's try to make a more abstract ansatz:
- Good gameplay is balanced. That is, it provides a reasonable challenge.
- MMORPGs use character power progression (CPP)
a) to move you through the 'story' in a predefined direction
b) to reward you (for hitting the buttons in the skinner box)
From these points it automatically follows that as your character becomes stronger, so must your enemies. WoW-WotLK actually tried to do it the other way: You would really overpower all your enemies the stronger you get. It was terrible gameplay in the open world, but especially in 'heroic' dungeons. And since good gameplay is the basis for any game, Blizzard rightfully corrected the issue.
The only screw left which we can turn to adjust the whole thing is the speed of the CPP. And here comes that big question: Isn't the CPP in most modern MMORPGs a bit too fast? Wouldn't it be better for gameplay and immersion alike to have a slower character power progression? Wouldn't it be ok to easily defeat that level 10 wolf, without totally annhilating it? Now that I am writing about it - I discussed this before. Have a look here - bullet point (4) and here.
Can you think of reasons for this extreme character power progression in current MMORPGs, other than the assumption that players want to 'feel' a jump in power everytime they pick up an item?
Tuesday, January 25, 2011
Are MMORPGs Actually Games ?
That is a question I wanted to discuss for a long time. See, I often use Chess to make a point about MMORPGs, because it is well known and most people agree that it is one of the best games ever created. But are MMORPGs actually games?
Games consist of
- equipment,
- players,
- goals,
- and rules that constrain the player from reaching the goals in a fun way.
For a classic game like Chess this is easy:
The board and its pieces are the equipment, the players are, well, the players, the goal is to drop the opposing king and the rules tell you how to do it, severely reducing your options.
A MMORPG, however, is different and that difference lies in the simulation-like character. A MMORPG still has equipment, your computer, the servers, even the devs, if you want. It has players, obviously, but does it have goals?
Many small ones perhaps, but usually a MMORPG does not have one big goal, like Chess or Soccer or the Settlers From Catan or even Boxing.
And rules? You might be inclined to say "yes, of course a MMORPG has rules", but actually, that is not so clear. In Chess or Soccer there are things you could do, but are not allowed to do by the rules. There are no such things in an MMORPG! All those things you can do, you are allowed to do. What one would traditionally consider a rule seems actually more like part of the equipment here.
It is as if there were an invisible force that kept you from moving the queen like a knight. That invisible force would be part of the equipment not part of the rules, wouldn't it? Is the fact that you can or cannot teleport a rule or a property of the equipment? Is the fact that you cannot move your queen to Qk1 a rule or a limitation of the equipment? Are the only rules in a MMORPG then that you are not allowed to cheat, hack or to exploit? Interesting questions I think, but probably without consequence. The distinction between rules and equipment can sometimes become blurred.
What is more interesting is how the non-existence of a higher-ranking goal influences MMORPGs. You see, good rules are fun, because they constrain players from reaching a goal in a fun way. But if you have no goal, then how do you design fun rules?
The answer is that it is all much more complicated in an MMORPG. There are goals, just not one higher-ranking one. Instead, the goals appear naturally while the simulation runs its course. The most trivial example is you meeting a 'monster'. That 'monster' attacks you and to 'die' is now considered to 'loose'. Suddenly there is a goal, like 'defeat the monster' or 'escape as unharmed as possible'. But this goal is setup by the player. The designer has some influence, but ultimately the player decides what he wants to do.
But how did the player even get there? What was his goal before he met the 'monster'? There must have been a goal .. must there not ? Actually, I think .. no. And that is where the simulation-like character comes in. The player might have been on the search for fun in an amazing fantasy world. But this 'search for fun' is not really his goal. It might not even be a conscious effort.
What does the simulation-like character mean?
It means that the designer has a bonus. Chess wouldn't work if the players had to 'have fun', but were not given a goal during the first half of the game. Neiter would Soccer work if the trainer told the players "to start playing and have fun and create goals along the way".
But in MMORPGs this can work! Things can be fun, even though there is no gameplay at all! If fact, things can be fun, even though there is rather bad gameplay at work! Things like having the option to explore a vast landscape can add to the fun, even if the player doesn't do it or even plans to never do it. Part of the fun a player draws from the simulation-like character of an MMORPG comes from participating in a story, like beating the Lich King. The fact that the healing game in itself isn't much fun, can be very successfully overlayed with the simulation-like character.
Moreover, in traditional MMORPGs the simulation-like character is the glue that connects and permeats the various minigames, like maximizing gold, killing 'monsters', building a house or earning a social reputation among other players.
The simulation-like character determines how those minigames work together and thus should be chosen carefully. The very second a player starts to participate in just one minigame and starts to min/max to reach the now apparent goals, the MMORPG has lost a lot of what makes it special. It has lost the fun-bonus it once had. The player will now mercilessly assess your gameplay and if it is flawed he will become unhappy.
No MMORPG has ever kept players away from eventually picking one minigame and trying to 'beat' it. So better make sure that your minigames employ good gameplay. But at the same time remember that the interconnectiveness of the various minigames can make this much harder than in any traditional game. And try to use the glue, the simulation-like character of MMORPGs, to your advantage as much as possible.
Games consist of
- equipment,
- players,
- goals,
- and rules that constrain the player from reaching the goals in a fun way.
For a classic game like Chess this is easy:
The board and its pieces are the equipment, the players are, well, the players, the goal is to drop the opposing king and the rules tell you how to do it, severely reducing your options.
A MMORPG, however, is different and that difference lies in the simulation-like character. A MMORPG still has equipment, your computer, the servers, even the devs, if you want. It has players, obviously, but does it have goals?
Many small ones perhaps, but usually a MMORPG does not have one big goal, like Chess or Soccer or the Settlers From Catan or even Boxing.
And rules? You might be inclined to say "yes, of course a MMORPG has rules", but actually, that is not so clear. In Chess or Soccer there are things you could do, but are not allowed to do by the rules. There are no such things in an MMORPG! All those things you can do, you are allowed to do. What one would traditionally consider a rule seems actually more like part of the equipment here.
It is as if there were an invisible force that kept you from moving the queen like a knight. That invisible force would be part of the equipment not part of the rules, wouldn't it? Is the fact that you can or cannot teleport a rule or a property of the equipment? Is the fact that you cannot move your queen to Qk1 a rule or a limitation of the equipment? Are the only rules in a MMORPG then that you are not allowed to cheat, hack or to exploit? Interesting questions I think, but probably without consequence. The distinction between rules and equipment can sometimes become blurred.
What is more interesting is how the non-existence of a higher-ranking goal influences MMORPGs. You see, good rules are fun, because they constrain players from reaching a goal in a fun way. But if you have no goal, then how do you design fun rules?
The answer is that it is all much more complicated in an MMORPG. There are goals, just not one higher-ranking one. Instead, the goals appear naturally while the simulation runs its course. The most trivial example is you meeting a 'monster'. That 'monster' attacks you and to 'die' is now considered to 'loose'. Suddenly there is a goal, like 'defeat the monster' or 'escape as unharmed as possible'. But this goal is setup by the player. The designer has some influence, but ultimately the player decides what he wants to do.
But how did the player even get there? What was his goal before he met the 'monster'? There must have been a goal .. must there not ? Actually, I think .. no. And that is where the simulation-like character comes in. The player might have been on the search for fun in an amazing fantasy world. But this 'search for fun' is not really his goal. It might not even be a conscious effort.
What does the simulation-like character mean?
It means that the designer has a bonus. Chess wouldn't work if the players had to 'have fun', but were not given a goal during the first half of the game. Neiter would Soccer work if the trainer told the players "to start playing and have fun and create goals along the way".
But in MMORPGs this can work! Things can be fun, even though there is no gameplay at all! If fact, things can be fun, even though there is rather bad gameplay at work! Things like having the option to explore a vast landscape can add to the fun, even if the player doesn't do it or even plans to never do it. Part of the fun a player draws from the simulation-like character of an MMORPG comes from participating in a story, like beating the Lich King. The fact that the healing game in itself isn't much fun, can be very successfully overlayed with the simulation-like character.
Moreover, in traditional MMORPGs the simulation-like character is the glue that connects and permeats the various minigames, like maximizing gold, killing 'monsters', building a house or earning a social reputation among other players.
The simulation-like character determines how those minigames work together and thus should be chosen carefully. The very second a player starts to participate in just one minigame and starts to min/max to reach the now apparent goals, the MMORPG has lost a lot of what makes it special. It has lost the fun-bonus it once had. The player will now mercilessly assess your gameplay and if it is flawed he will become unhappy.
No MMORPG has ever kept players away from eventually picking one minigame and trying to 'beat' it. So better make sure that your minigames employ good gameplay. But at the same time remember that the interconnectiveness of the various minigames can make this much harder than in any traditional game. And try to use the glue, the simulation-like character of MMORPGs, to your advantage as much as possible.
Monday, January 24, 2011
Vulnerability to Balance Problems
Eldergame started an age-old class-based or skill-based discussion some days ago. I always wanted to write about that, but I don't think I will, because Eric said it all.
First things first: I agree with him. I sympathize with skill-based systems, but they never really work out for exactly the reasons Eric lists.
The post, rightfully, got a lot of attention. So for further reading have a look here.
Stylish Corpse
Psychochild
Rampant Games
Aim for the Head
Tish Tosh Tesh
Troll Racials are Overpowered
Fun in Games
Using classes instead of skills is actually part of a higher-ranking design rule: Don't just balance your game, but use mechanics that make it resistant to balance problems.
I'll give you a well-known example: World of Warcraft and its Arena.
I extensively played PvP in classic WoW; both open PvP and battlegrounds. There were balance problems, for sure. Especially with late PvE equipment. But generally balance was not so much of an issue and even though I played a fire mage who dreamt of Molten Core equipment, I never had a problem with the balance. I already wrote about that, here.
But the second I started to do TBC arenas, balance problems were everywhere.
What this means is that a game can be vulnerable or resistant to balance problems. And, obviously, you want your game to be resistant to them. There is a connection with The Information Curse. The internet helps people min/maxing and while that can be fun for a while it is always a danger to the developer. Fortunately, the developer can sabotage min/maxing by splitting up communities and including unpredictability into his game.
The benefit is clear: A game that is resistant to balance problems not only requires less manpower to develop and sustain. It also allows for mechanics that are theoretically exploitable, but practically are not exploited. These mechanics can be a lot of fun. For example a paladin that does more damage vs. undead. In the framework of international competition such a thing is not sustainable. But on a server that inhabits a few hundred players it can turn out to be great, immersive and not much a problem at all.
Things that help make a game resistant to balance problems:
- Low focus on competition between players
- No official forum
- Little information for the players. No detailed combat log
- Separated servers with slightly differing content / rule sets. If implemented wisely
- Classes that rely on each other, have a look here
- Heavily homogenized classes
- ...
These things are interchangeable! And every one, on its own, will make your game less fun, but at the same time every one allows you to make the game more fun. E.g. do you rather want homogenized classes (Cataclysm) or classes that rely on each other (TBC)?
Bottom line is this:
Try to make your game resistant to balance problems. There is no free launch here, but some measures can fit your game better than others.
Edit: Heavily edited after publishing.
First things first: I agree with him. I sympathize with skill-based systems, but they never really work out for exactly the reasons Eric lists.
The post, rightfully, got a lot of attention. So for further reading have a look here.
Stylish Corpse
Psychochild
Rampant Games
Aim for the Head
Tish Tosh Tesh
Troll Racials are Overpowered
Fun in Games
Using classes instead of skills is actually part of a higher-ranking design rule: Don't just balance your game, but use mechanics that make it resistant to balance problems.
I'll give you a well-known example: World of Warcraft and its Arena.
I extensively played PvP in classic WoW; both open PvP and battlegrounds. There were balance problems, for sure. Especially with late PvE equipment. But generally balance was not so much of an issue and even though I played a fire mage who dreamt of Molten Core equipment, I never had a problem with the balance. I already wrote about that, here.
But the second I started to do TBC arenas, balance problems were everywhere.
What this means is that a game can be vulnerable or resistant to balance problems. And, obviously, you want your game to be resistant to them. There is a connection with The Information Curse. The internet helps people min/maxing and while that can be fun for a while it is always a danger to the developer. Fortunately, the developer can sabotage min/maxing by splitting up communities and including unpredictability into his game.
The benefit is clear: A game that is resistant to balance problems not only requires less manpower to develop and sustain. It also allows for mechanics that are theoretically exploitable, but practically are not exploited. These mechanics can be a lot of fun. For example a paladin that does more damage vs. undead. In the framework of international competition such a thing is not sustainable. But on a server that inhabits a few hundred players it can turn out to be great, immersive and not much a problem at all.
Things that help make a game resistant to balance problems:
- Low focus on competition between players
- No official forum
- Little information for the players. No detailed combat log
- Separated servers with slightly differing content / rule sets. If implemented wisely
- Classes that rely on each other, have a look here
- Heavily homogenized classes
- ...
These things are interchangeable! And every one, on its own, will make your game less fun, but at the same time every one allows you to make the game more fun. E.g. do you rather want homogenized classes (Cataclysm) or classes that rely on each other (TBC)?
Bottom line is this:
Try to make your game resistant to balance problems. There is no free launch here, but some measures can fit your game better than others.
Edit: Heavily edited after publishing.
Sunday, January 23, 2011
Travel Done Right
In the last post I pointed out that developers of MMORPG virtual words should try to create gameplay mechanics that make use of immersion. I also discussed the example of travel. In this post I will venture deeper into travel and how to make it 'right'.
This is basically a long list of bullet points which I hope to make even longer with the help of commenters ;).
- To make travel more fun it must feel natural. I wrote about that before. The player must not ask why he must travel, because it should be obvious to them that to get from A to B one has to travel.
- Travel can be made meaningful by trade. Especially long-range trade. If you can carry with you some goods to sell at your destination, the travel time does not feel 'wasted'. There have been whole games in the past that did nothing but allow you to become rich by travel.
- The game must not send you from one corner of the world to the other for some irrelevant task, like a standard-quest. Instead, the game must respect the distance as it exspects you to respect it. For example NPCs can point out that city X is really very far away and they know nothing about it. No guy in old Cairo would have send somebody to Rome without exspecting an epic and maybe dangerous journey. No guy should do it in your game.
- If traveling on a ship the game could allow you to fish for fish that are not available otherwise. The fish shouldn't be too valuable, though. You don't want people to travel so they can fish.
- The way you travel could change. For example there could be some avalanche blocking your way or some routes be impassable (or too risky) during winter/summer. The developers could sporadically, without mentioning it, change the map in a credible way.
- A less immersive idea with a lot of gameplay potential, though, is to make every travel individual by randomizing the map you have to travel.
- There should be fast and dangerous, and slow and secure routes. Thus, enableing you to make an interesting decision.
- The game could encourage grouping, but not enforce it for travel. Moreover, the game could help players to organize a caravan. This would then be a rather safe, but slow way to travel, that allows you to transport more goods.
- The game could sometimes encourage players to transport good X to city Y to make a lot of profit. But only if they are fast enough.
- PvP can be be used to 'spice it up' .. but this is really, really tricky. You certainly don't want people to not travel, because playing bandit is so much more rewarding and thus so many more people do it!
- Rivial city states could hire you to fight for them for money. Part of that 'quest' is to go to where their war takes place.
- A very important point is that players still need something to do whenever they log in. You cannot have a game like WoW just scrap teleports. A '15min battleground' doesn't make sense if the travel there takes 30min. This is actually a topic for another post: Any game needs to offer things that can be done right now, later, in the far furture, etc.
- Some travel routes can be used to allow the player relax. The original WoW travel was like that. If you do this, allow the player to see whether he is now safe or not. Don't try to spice relaxing travel up with some PvE/PvP attack that requires the player to be in front of his computer.
- ...
What else can you think of ?
This is basically a long list of bullet points which I hope to make even longer with the help of commenters ;).
- To make travel more fun it must feel natural. I wrote about that before. The player must not ask why he must travel, because it should be obvious to them that to get from A to B one has to travel.
- Travel can be made meaningful by trade. Especially long-range trade. If you can carry with you some goods to sell at your destination, the travel time does not feel 'wasted'. There have been whole games in the past that did nothing but allow you to become rich by travel.
- The game must not send you from one corner of the world to the other for some irrelevant task, like a standard-quest. Instead, the game must respect the distance as it exspects you to respect it. For example NPCs can point out that city X is really very far away and they know nothing about it. No guy in old Cairo would have send somebody to Rome without exspecting an epic and maybe dangerous journey. No guy should do it in your game.
- If traveling on a ship the game could allow you to fish for fish that are not available otherwise. The fish shouldn't be too valuable, though. You don't want people to travel so they can fish.
- The way you travel could change. For example there could be some avalanche blocking your way or some routes be impassable (or too risky) during winter/summer. The developers could sporadically, without mentioning it, change the map in a credible way.
- A less immersive idea with a lot of gameplay potential, though, is to make every travel individual by randomizing the map you have to travel.
- There should be fast and dangerous, and slow and secure routes. Thus, enableing you to make an interesting decision.
- The game could encourage grouping, but not enforce it for travel. Moreover, the game could help players to organize a caravan. This would then be a rather safe, but slow way to travel, that allows you to transport more goods.
- The game could sometimes encourage players to transport good X to city Y to make a lot of profit. But only if they are fast enough.
- PvP can be be used to 'spice it up' .. but this is really, really tricky. You certainly don't want people to not travel, because playing bandit is so much more rewarding and thus so many more people do it!
- Rivial city states could hire you to fight for them for money. Part of that 'quest' is to go to where their war takes place.
- A very important point is that players still need something to do whenever they log in. You cannot have a game like WoW just scrap teleports. A '15min battleground' doesn't make sense if the travel there takes 30min. This is actually a topic for another post: Any game needs to offer things that can be done right now, later, in the far furture, etc.
- Some travel routes can be used to allow the player relax. The original WoW travel was like that. If you do this, allow the player to see whether he is now safe or not. Don't try to spice relaxing travel up with some PvE/PvP attack that requires the player to be in front of his computer.
- ...
What else can you think of ?
Friday, January 21, 2011
Immersion and Annoyance
Muckbeast has an interesting topic today. He askes: "But how do you strike a balance that maintains immersion without being needlessly annoying?"
I already commented on his blog, but think this is important enough to make an own blog post here. A lot of players think that immersion and annoyance are somehow the two sides of one coin. And partially they are correct, of course.
But for a developer there is an entirely different question to answer.
What gameplay mechanics do I need to allow my game to be immersive without being annoying?
Example: Just removing teleports from WoW would make WoW more immersive, sure. But it would also be annoying as hell. Better to also add a few new gameplay mechanics: Long range trade, Caravans, enough content in your local vicinity, rival city states, exploration, …
The reasoning doesn't go like "Distances are annoying, how do we get rid of them?". Instead it goes like: "Distances are annoying right now. How do we make them more fun and meaningful?"
You see, gameplay and immersion are not foes. A good game uses and invents gameplay mechanics that allow for immersion to be fun.
I already commented on his blog, but think this is important enough to make an own blog post here. A lot of players think that immersion and annoyance are somehow the two sides of one coin. And partially they are correct, of course.
But for a developer there is an entirely different question to answer.
What gameplay mechanics do I need to allow my game to be immersive without being annoying?
Example: Just removing teleports from WoW would make WoW more immersive, sure. But it would also be annoying as hell. Better to also add a few new gameplay mechanics: Long range trade, Caravans, enough content in your local vicinity, rival city states, exploration, …
The reasoning doesn't go like "Distances are annoying, how do we get rid of them?". Instead it goes like: "Distances are annoying right now. How do we make them more fun and meaningful?"
You see, gameplay and immersion are not foes. A good game uses and invents gameplay mechanics that allow for immersion to be fun.
What's wrong with Heroics
Answer: The daily quest.
The daily quest creates a terrible expectation in the player! An expectation regarding himself! And a lot of players thus disappoint themselves.
Somebody who used to do his daily heroic after work before eating with his family is unable to do his Cataclysm heroic, but feels like he is expected to do it. Moreover, he feels like losing 70 valor points whenever he doesn't do his daily heroic. When doing something else in WoW before eating with the family he feels like wasting his time.
As so often in MMORPGs, the problem is rarely the thing itself. It is the environment that is incompatible with it. Heroics would be great if they felt optional; like I could do them voluntarily, like dungeons in classic. They don't feel like that. The fact that we come from late WotLK heroics adds to the problem.
What Blizzard needs to learn is that fun is not an inherent property of an isolated activity. Heroics are great right now. As are raids. But the environment they are embedded in (the rest of the game + player base) is important, too. And right now this environment pulls players into a direction many players don't want to go: Doing a heroic of significant difficulty and potential time requirement every day.
The fact that the leveling game feels extra easy doesn't help either.
The daily quest creates a terrible expectation in the player! An expectation regarding himself! And a lot of players thus disappoint themselves.
Somebody who used to do his daily heroic after work before eating with his family is unable to do his Cataclysm heroic, but feels like he is expected to do it. Moreover, he feels like losing 70 valor points whenever he doesn't do his daily heroic. When doing something else in WoW before eating with the family he feels like wasting his time.
As so often in MMORPGs, the problem is rarely the thing itself. It is the environment that is incompatible with it. Heroics would be great if they felt optional; like I could do them voluntarily, like dungeons in classic. They don't feel like that. The fact that we come from late WotLK heroics adds to the problem.
What Blizzard needs to learn is that fun is not an inherent property of an isolated activity. Heroics are great right now. As are raids. But the environment they are embedded in (the rest of the game + player base) is important, too. And right now this environment pulls players into a direction many players don't want to go: Doing a heroic of significant difficulty and potential time requirement every day.
The fact that the leveling game feels extra easy doesn't help either.
Thursday, January 20, 2011
40 Minute Queue Time for DDs
Tobold once again manages to start a fiery discussion in the blogosphere by asserting something bizzare and then claiming that he honestly believes it and has always believed it. What can I say .. Thanks for the nice topic to blog about ?
However, instead of discussing his assertion:
( "You have a social responsibility to play tank/healer in LFD PUGs" ),
I would like to find out, why so few players play a tank/healer in LFD PUGs, in the first place. Because, honestly, I find that a bit strange.
And I am not the only one. Larísa comments:
And actually a part of the enjoyment probably was that I felt less questioned as a healer than as a dps. There's a lot of healer love. A lot of gratitude. And no e-peening. It gives you a very pleasant feeling in the stomach. And if that wasn't enough, if you pair up with a good tank, you've got it all in your hands. You're in power in a way that you never ever are as dps.
This is actually the reason I mostly PUG as tank. Playing a druid I can change my role fairly easy, but I hate to play kitty in PUGs. Those tanks never pull the boss where I can attack it from behind without standing in the fire. If they get out of the fire all!
Tank does't use his interrupts? Doesn't use his cooldowns? Forgets to tank that caster? Such things don't happen when I am the tank.
Playing tank gives me control and authority. You wanna blame me? Be careful, because I need half a second to join the next group. Somebody leaves - even a healer? No problem, there's the next one. Try that with a tank that left your group.
Attitude towards dps in PUGs is terrible. I have yet to try to kick a dps and fail at it. Attitude towards the healer, and especially the tank, is friendly. I have not been kicked ever since the invention of the LFD.
But if I am correct, then why do so few players play tank/healer in PUGs?
Because they shy away from the authority, from the responsibility, from the disturbing fact that they could fail. And they do it out of what Gevlon would call Ape residues :). They are doubtful towards themselves. They don't want to disappoint themselves. Imagine you play a tank (for the first time) and make a mistake!! Imagine the healer points that out! How embarassing!
Moreover, many players do not know the dungeon as well and as a tank you are exspected to make the first step - for good reasons, btw.
However, instead of discussing his assertion:
( "You have a social responsibility to play tank/healer in LFD PUGs" ),
I would like to find out, why so few players play a tank/healer in LFD PUGs, in the first place. Because, honestly, I find that a bit strange.
And I am not the only one. Larísa comments:
And actually a part of the enjoyment probably was that I felt less questioned as a healer than as a dps. There's a lot of healer love. A lot of gratitude. And no e-peening. It gives you a very pleasant feeling in the stomach. And if that wasn't enough, if you pair up with a good tank, you've got it all in your hands. You're in power in a way that you never ever are as dps.
This is actually the reason I mostly PUG as tank. Playing a druid I can change my role fairly easy, but I hate to play kitty in PUGs. Those tanks never pull the boss where I can attack it from behind without standing in the fire. If they get out of the fire all!
Tank does't use his interrupts? Doesn't use his cooldowns? Forgets to tank that caster? Such things don't happen when I am the tank.
Playing tank gives me control and authority. You wanna blame me? Be careful, because I need half a second to join the next group. Somebody leaves - even a healer? No problem, there's the next one. Try that with a tank that left your group.
Attitude towards dps in PUGs is terrible. I have yet to try to kick a dps and fail at it. Attitude towards the healer, and especially the tank, is friendly. I have not been kicked ever since the invention of the LFD.
But if I am correct, then why do so few players play tank/healer in PUGs?
Because they shy away from the authority, from the responsibility, from the disturbing fact that they could fail. And they do it out of what Gevlon would call Ape residues :). They are doubtful towards themselves. They don't want to disappoint themselves. Imagine you play a tank (for the first time) and make a mistake!! Imagine the healer points that out! How embarassing!
Moreover, many players do not know the dungeon as well and as a tank you are exspected to make the first step - for good reasons, btw.
Wednesday, January 19, 2011
Wolfshead‘s WoW Bashing
Good criticism differentiates. It does not claim that everything is bad about something, nor does it claim that everything is good. Having said that, I feel with Wolfshead. For six years now MMORPGs move into the wrong direction. From his point of view; from my point of view. They become less and less the kind of game we wish for. But criticism doesn’t work, if you don’t mention what is actually good about MMOs. In this case, we talk, of course, about World of Warcraft.
So, what is my opinion about Blizzard newest expansion: Cataclysm ?
1) Cataclysm is a technically superior single player game for children.
2) At maximum level Cataclysm becomes a technically superior multiplayer game for dedicated adults who like a childish theme.
Is this what Blizzard aimed for? I doubt it. Can it work? We will have to see. If it works it proves Wolfshead’s point: You can throw people into difficult content and they deal with it, and they grow with it, and they have fun learning.
So, why do I feel for Wolfshead? Because World of Warcraft is no MMORPG.
1) It is massive only at indirect interaction (auction house, potential players in the dungeon finder queue).
2) It is no roleplaying game.
3) And most of all, although it is not part of the MMORPG abbreviation: It is not a virtual world; not at all.
The only thing about WoW that is persistent is your character and his social connections. The world suffers from high-frequency resets. Moreover World of Warcraft makes fun of itself all the time. Now, to make fun about fantasy is almost an own genre. So a funny thing every now and then I can live with. But WoW is making fun about itself every step of the way. The goblin starting area may be “concentrated coolness”, but it is not a credible place.
For adults who like Harry Potter, this kind of “concentrated coolness” can be enjoyable. And obviously there are a lot of adults nowadays who like content for children. So Blizzard will be successful with Cataclysm. Their rentention rate certainly suffers at max level, but the players they can keep are loyal.
My prediction for Cataclysm: It will be successful, financially. And it is even an enjoyable game at maxlevel for me. But the very second a technically feasible virtual world is available on our global market I am gone, because WoW requires too much time to be played in addition to a serious virtual world for adults.
My advice for Wolfshead: Differentiate more. Give more reasons. I know that your opinion is not as one-sided as you make it look, because I have read your older posts. But many readers have not. And in the end we want to convince our readers to believe in our perfect MMORPG virtual world, do we not?
So, what is my opinion about Blizzard newest expansion: Cataclysm ?
1) Cataclysm is a technically superior single player game for children.
2) At maximum level Cataclysm becomes a technically superior multiplayer game for dedicated adults who like a childish theme.
Is this what Blizzard aimed for? I doubt it. Can it work? We will have to see. If it works it proves Wolfshead’s point: You can throw people into difficult content and they deal with it, and they grow with it, and they have fun learning.
So, why do I feel for Wolfshead? Because World of Warcraft is no MMORPG.
1) It is massive only at indirect interaction (auction house, potential players in the dungeon finder queue).
2) It is no roleplaying game.
3) And most of all, although it is not part of the MMORPG abbreviation: It is not a virtual world; not at all.
The only thing about WoW that is persistent is your character and his social connections. The world suffers from high-frequency resets. Moreover World of Warcraft makes fun of itself all the time. Now, to make fun about fantasy is almost an own genre. So a funny thing every now and then I can live with. But WoW is making fun about itself every step of the way. The goblin starting area may be “concentrated coolness”, but it is not a credible place.
For adults who like Harry Potter, this kind of “concentrated coolness” can be enjoyable. And obviously there are a lot of adults nowadays who like content for children. So Blizzard will be successful with Cataclysm. Their rentention rate certainly suffers at max level, but the players they can keep are loyal.
My prediction for Cataclysm: It will be successful, financially. And it is even an enjoyable game at maxlevel for me. But the very second a technically feasible virtual world is available on our global market I am gone, because WoW requires too much time to be played in addition to a serious virtual world for adults.
My advice for Wolfshead: Differentiate more. Give more reasons. I know that your opinion is not as one-sided as you make it look, because I have read your older posts. But many readers have not. And in the end we want to convince our readers to believe in our perfect MMORPG virtual world, do we not?
Tuesday, January 18, 2011
The Information Curse
My very first computer game was a CRPG. I had a friend who was also into computers, but he did not like that game as much. So I played it alone in front of my computer for about a year. I would make different group compositions and venture forth.
Unfortunately, the game had a copy protection. Whenever you started it, it would ask you questions and you would have to type in an answer that was available only on a sheet of paper that could not be copied. I was in possession of that piece of paper only once, because another friend actually owned that game. To beat the copy protection I had memorized most of the sheet. You might ask why I didn’t write it down and thus copy it manually. Well, it wasn’t necessary. My fascination of the game was great enough to memorize the world-related answers without any effort.
I beat that game only once and it was a big letdown. Mostly I explored and discovered better group compositions. I was about 10 years old. The computer was financed by strictly saving every dime I got for three years.
This is nostalgia. When I think about that game today it boggles my mind what has been so fascinating. Sure, it was a RPG, even a mildly successful one for its time. But what you mostly did was travel and fight. Most fights were the same. The dungeons were mostly the same. Without internet, however, I would sporadically find new content. A new dungeon, a new travel route, a new weapon.
In some way this is similar to my first MMORPG experience; although this was already much less intense. My first MMORPG was (unfortunately) World of Warcraft. I mostly explored in classic WoW. In TBC I organized and min/maxed and then .. well it was over.
I still play World of Warcraft today, but just for the gameplay and the guild; in contrast to the first few years it, indeed, feels like a waste of time. Now, depending on your point of view everything is a waste of time, so I don’t easily give in to such arguments. But there is a difference between things that are a waste of time and things that feel like it, too.
Now, the transition from beginner to expert is inevitable, especially for a grown up. We are just too smart and experienced to be fascinated by content other grown-ups created. But it is still possible. I started to play WoW at the age of 24 and was fascinated!
Interlude:
Oh! And I was not that much fascinated by the massive multiplayer stuff! That mostly interfered with my immersion! I was fascinated by the huge world, the auction house, the variety of things, the lore, the character building and, of course, the refined gameplay. Most of all the persistence of the world and of my character fascinated me. It created meaning. I loved the absence of quicksaving. This is nothing a single player game couldn't have delivered (even better?)
Later I started to like running dungeons and eventually raids with friends. The main reasons were even more aspects of the world, more variety of things, more lore and even more refined gameplay.
So Blizzard are not completely off the track when they sacrifice the "massive experience" in favour of the "gameplay experience". They just overshoot when they sacrifice the "world experience", too.
End of Interlude
What is an even bigger problem than being an adult is the internet. If you stand on the shoulders of giants it is really, really hard to surprise, let alone fascinate you. It is for all practical purposes impossible with games like Cataclysm.
In the beginning of WoW, when there was little internet presence, and I simply didn’t look for it, I was one of the few people on my server who actually tested and calculated the best dps speccs/equipment. There was no recount then – only the combat log. It was a lot of fun!
Cataclysm is a lot more complicated than classic WoW, but I never had to learn stuff on my own. I use an addon that tells me exactly what button I need to press next. On fights like in Blackwing Descent I cannot follow this addon completely, as I also need to interrupt specific 1.5s spells from bosses and save energy for that. That is not at all easy. But the difficulty lies in the execution alone. There is little exploration, learning, tactically or even strategic thinking involved.
When I was about 11 years old I got my hands on a solutions-book for said game. I read through it in an afternoon. It was great to finally read all this stuff that I had discovered for a year! Much to my surprise, there even was a lot of stuff I hadn’t discovered! After I had read that book I never touched the game again. I was spoiled. I had learnt it all reading a book in an afternoon. Now I knew it – all riddles were solved. I got what I wanted in a way that I couldn’t possibly have wanted.
The reason I write this long text are but a few questions: Do we have to accept that all future games focus on execution instead of learning?
Is the fact that we are smart adults with internet access and thrown into a competitive environment where we compare each other in facebook-style every minute of our life, the end of all mystery? The end of all tactics? The end of all exploration?
Shouldn’t the game companies try to create games (worlds) that resist the internet? Shouldn’t we finally have games again that are unpredictable in nature, but still persistent?
Unfortunately, the game had a copy protection. Whenever you started it, it would ask you questions and you would have to type in an answer that was available only on a sheet of paper that could not be copied. I was in possession of that piece of paper only once, because another friend actually owned that game. To beat the copy protection I had memorized most of the sheet. You might ask why I didn’t write it down and thus copy it manually. Well, it wasn’t necessary. My fascination of the game was great enough to memorize the world-related answers without any effort.
I beat that game only once and it was a big letdown. Mostly I explored and discovered better group compositions. I was about 10 years old. The computer was financed by strictly saving every dime I got for three years.
This is nostalgia. When I think about that game today it boggles my mind what has been so fascinating. Sure, it was a RPG, even a mildly successful one for its time. But what you mostly did was travel and fight. Most fights were the same. The dungeons were mostly the same. Without internet, however, I would sporadically find new content. A new dungeon, a new travel route, a new weapon.
In some way this is similar to my first MMORPG experience; although this was already much less intense. My first MMORPG was (unfortunately) World of Warcraft. I mostly explored in classic WoW. In TBC I organized and min/maxed and then .. well it was over.
I still play World of Warcraft today, but just for the gameplay and the guild; in contrast to the first few years it, indeed, feels like a waste of time. Now, depending on your point of view everything is a waste of time, so I don’t easily give in to such arguments. But there is a difference between things that are a waste of time and things that feel like it, too.
Now, the transition from beginner to expert is inevitable, especially for a grown up. We are just too smart and experienced to be fascinated by content other grown-ups created. But it is still possible. I started to play WoW at the age of 24 and was fascinated!
Interlude:
Oh! And I was not that much fascinated by the massive multiplayer stuff! That mostly interfered with my immersion! I was fascinated by the huge world, the auction house, the variety of things, the lore, the character building and, of course, the refined gameplay. Most of all the persistence of the world and of my character fascinated me. It created meaning. I loved the absence of quicksaving. This is nothing a single player game couldn't have delivered (even better?)
Later I started to like running dungeons and eventually raids with friends. The main reasons were even more aspects of the world, more variety of things, more lore and even more refined gameplay.
So Blizzard are not completely off the track when they sacrifice the "massive experience" in favour of the "gameplay experience". They just overshoot when they sacrifice the "world experience", too.
End of Interlude
What is an even bigger problem than being an adult is the internet. If you stand on the shoulders of giants it is really, really hard to surprise, let alone fascinate you. It is for all practical purposes impossible with games like Cataclysm.
In the beginning of WoW, when there was little internet presence, and I simply didn’t look for it, I was one of the few people on my server who actually tested and calculated the best dps speccs/equipment. There was no recount then – only the combat log. It was a lot of fun!
Cataclysm is a lot more complicated than classic WoW, but I never had to learn stuff on my own. I use an addon that tells me exactly what button I need to press next. On fights like in Blackwing Descent I cannot follow this addon completely, as I also need to interrupt specific 1.5s spells from bosses and save energy for that. That is not at all easy. But the difficulty lies in the execution alone. There is little exploration, learning, tactically or even strategic thinking involved.
When I was about 11 years old I got my hands on a solutions-book for said game. I read through it in an afternoon. It was great to finally read all this stuff that I had discovered for a year! Much to my surprise, there even was a lot of stuff I hadn’t discovered! After I had read that book I never touched the game again. I was spoiled. I had learnt it all reading a book in an afternoon. Now I knew it – all riddles were solved. I got what I wanted in a way that I couldn’t possibly have wanted.
The reason I write this long text are but a few questions: Do we have to accept that all future games focus on execution instead of learning?
Is the fact that we are smart adults with internet access and thrown into a competitive environment where we compare each other in facebook-style every minute of our life, the end of all mystery? The end of all tactics? The end of all exploration?
Shouldn’t the game companies try to create games (worlds) that resist the internet? Shouldn’t we finally have games again that are unpredictable in nature, but still persistent?
Monday, January 10, 2011
Been on vacation during christmas and new year and take a step back from blogging, as you might have noticed.
So just a wonderful link I just found: Demon Souls
So just a wonderful link I just found: Demon Souls
Tuesday, December 21, 2010
My Perfect Battleground System
Of course a perfect MMO would use instancing only where necessary and there are quite a few ideas about how to make good PvP without instancing. But for the moment let's talk about instanced battlegrounds - and how to embed them into a fun system.
My perfect battleground system has these properties:
1) If I am better I start to win more often.
2) Winning is helpful for improving my character.
3) Improving my character is very limited. There is, however, no cap. Every single win helps.
4) No complete anonymity within your own 'faction'.
5) 'Harcore' and 'Casuals' fight along each other.
6) You are able to play with your friends.
So, how do we do this?
1) You are required to create a 5-man group before the BG starts.
2) The BG system merges those groups of 5 'friends' randomly and thus creates the one side of the battle. For example 8 groups on each side for a 40-man BG. The BG size is varible!
3) If you win you get points. If you lose you gain no points.
4) The points an individual player can earn per day/week/month diminish drastically the more he gets. Use some "x to the power of 1/y" type of formula to achieve this.
5) The points can be used to improve your character (e.g. 'buying' gear).
6) There is some time to talk with each other before every battle. Battles last long enough that this is kept in perspective (at least one hour).
7) If a member of a group goes offline, the entire group is kicked from the BG after a minute. Groups can also leave a BG. No penalties apply. Either way, if the BG is won later on, they get a portion of the points depending on how long they participated. The entire group is replaced by another group that is also rewarded depending on how long they participated until the win. Nobody gains any points if a BG is lost. The new group members spawn near the location in the BG where the old group members left. There is a minimum amount of points you can get if you won, but left before. If you participated for only a few minutes you cannot gain any points.
8) Capitulation is possible. A voting can occur only a few times during a BG and is initiated when 1/4 of of players on one side mark a respective checkbox. If at least 3/4 of the number of players vote 'capitulate' the winning team gets a small(!) bonus to their winning points. The losing team doesn't lose anything, but is now able to queue for a new BG.
A few remarks:
1) Communication between groups will usually be some kind of Teamspeak. Since battles last long enough it is possible to have some preparation phase where team members exchange e.g. TS server data. Ideally, the MMO would offer a good system that would be used.
2) The two-stage system allows friends to play together, but also joins hardcore and casual groups. It is in the best interests of the groups to discuss their strategy before the battle. It is a major component of the battle and supposed to be fun ;). You would want stronger groups to fulfill more important tasks in battle or join weaker groups to achive objectives together. The preparation phase lasts no longer than 10 minutes, but can be ended beforehand if every player marks a checkbox that says 'ready'.
3) This has been written with Alterac Valley in mind.
4) Clarification about the replacement of groups. If your group quits the battle for whatever reason two things can happen:
a) The battle is lost later on. In this case they do not gain any points.
b) The battle is won later on. T is the total time of the battle. N the time the group participated in the battle. They gain N/T of the maximum points. Due to the lower limit of points it makes no sense to join a battle and leave a short time after.
5) Capitulation: A few minutes in the battle you realize that this is hopeless. But you don't have to afk. You check a box that says capitulate. You ask other players on your team to do the same. As soon as 25% of the players checked the box a vote starts. You vote yes. If 3/4 of the team also vote 'yes' your team capitulates. If less than 75% vote 'yes' The next vote is started in no more than 10 minutes. The winning team gets a small bonus.
I conclude with a remark about rated systems: Most people want to win more often if they are better. A system that pitches the best against the best and the worst against the worst creates 50:50 matches all the time (if it works). That is great for sports and making a ranking, but bad for fun and immersion. Winning generally feels better than improving a number.
My perfect battleground system has these properties:
1) If I am better I start to win more often.
2) Winning is helpful for improving my character.
3) Improving my character is very limited. There is, however, no cap. Every single win helps.
4) No complete anonymity within your own 'faction'.
5) 'Harcore' and 'Casuals' fight along each other.
6) You are able to play with your friends.
So, how do we do this?
1) You are required to create a 5-man group before the BG starts.
2) The BG system merges those groups of 5 'friends' randomly and thus creates the one side of the battle. For example 8 groups on each side for a 40-man BG. The BG size is varible!
3) If you win you get points. If you lose you gain no points.
4) The points an individual player can earn per day/week/month diminish drastically the more he gets. Use some "x to the power of 1/y" type of formula to achieve this.
5) The points can be used to improve your character (e.g. 'buying' gear).
6) There is some time to talk with each other before every battle. Battles last long enough that this is kept in perspective (at least one hour).
7) If a member of a group goes offline, the entire group is kicked from the BG after a minute. Groups can also leave a BG. No penalties apply. Either way, if the BG is won later on, they get a portion of the points depending on how long they participated. The entire group is replaced by another group that is also rewarded depending on how long they participated until the win. Nobody gains any points if a BG is lost. The new group members spawn near the location in the BG where the old group members left. There is a minimum amount of points you can get if you won, but left before. If you participated for only a few minutes you cannot gain any points.
8) Capitulation is possible. A voting can occur only a few times during a BG and is initiated when 1/4 of of players on one side mark a respective checkbox. If at least 3/4 of the number of players vote 'capitulate' the winning team gets a small(!) bonus to their winning points. The losing team doesn't lose anything, but is now able to queue for a new BG.
A few remarks:
1) Communication between groups will usually be some kind of Teamspeak. Since battles last long enough it is possible to have some preparation phase where team members exchange e.g. TS server data. Ideally, the MMO would offer a good system that would be used.
2) The two-stage system allows friends to play together, but also joins hardcore and casual groups. It is in the best interests of the groups to discuss their strategy before the battle. It is a major component of the battle and supposed to be fun ;). You would want stronger groups to fulfill more important tasks in battle or join weaker groups to achive objectives together. The preparation phase lasts no longer than 10 minutes, but can be ended beforehand if every player marks a checkbox that says 'ready'.
3) This has been written with Alterac Valley in mind.
4) Clarification about the replacement of groups. If your group quits the battle for whatever reason two things can happen:
a) The battle is lost later on. In this case they do not gain any points.
b) The battle is won later on. T is the total time of the battle. N the time the group participated in the battle. They gain N/T of the maximum points. Due to the lower limit of points it makes no sense to join a battle and leave a short time after.
5) Capitulation: A few minutes in the battle you realize that this is hopeless. But you don't have to afk. You check a box that says capitulate. You ask other players on your team to do the same. As soon as 25% of the players checked the box a vote starts. You vote yes. If 3/4 of the team also vote 'yes' your team capitulates. If less than 75% vote 'yes' The next vote is started in no more than 10 minutes. The winning team gets a small bonus.
I conclude with a remark about rated systems: Most people want to win more often if they are better. A system that pitches the best against the best and the worst against the worst creates 50:50 matches all the time (if it works). That is great for sports and making a ranking, but bad for fun and immersion. Winning generally feels better than improving a number.
Monday, December 20, 2010
Am I too old for WoW ?
Cataclysm PvE .. I don't know.
During an extended weekend I started to do PvE in Cataclysm. My druid has itemlevel 345 for tanking/dpsing and healing equip. That equip is well gemmed and enchanted. I've spent quite some gold and even more time and was confident that I am well prepared for raiding.
My equip probably was. But I was not. The first thing we did was tanking Omnitron Defense System. We wiped an entire evening, but got him down the second night. Not too bad for our guild. As a tank you sometimes have to be fast, but it was manageable. You needed to stop autoattacking at some points, which required me to get that autoattack button on my UI. As soon as we managed to disrupt some rather fast spells in a rotation everything went fine.
Then we went to Tol Barad and onehitted that PvP boss there. Easy going. On the next night we went to Halfus Wyrmbreaker in the Bastion of Twilight. After some inital problems with the trash that we sorted out rather fast, we started some tries.
Woah!
That guy hits like a truck, his dragons hit like a truck and generally, it seems our equip is just not ready. Our healers go oom within 30 seconds without producing a lot of overheal. Maybe the problem was that my tanking partner, has went for maximum life instead of maximum avoid, like I did. He had some 20k HP more, but ate some 10-30% more damage. What is OP in this fight is a paladin that can remove the healing debuff on the tank. Since both tanks get this debuff two paladins would be even better. It is also possible that the debuff is simply bugged. Judging from the tooltip it is supposed to be applied by Halfus attacks, but regardless of those attacks being dodged, the debuff is still stacked!
Anyway, what was very hard here, again, was interrupting the boss in a rotation. Rotations are necessary, because even with the relative short interrupt cooldown that bears have (10 seconds) we can only interrupt every second spell. Even one such spell going through is almost unhealable (massive AoE attack on the entire raid).
After two hours we managed to kill the first dragon, but there are two more to go, a second phase after than and possibly an enrage timer. With our current equip (and the way it was customized by the raid) this seems impossible from a healer PoV.
So we moved on the Blackwing Descend once again. Magmaw would be the boss that would make me ask whether I am too old for raiding. Since you only need one tank for the boss, I respecced to healing and a healer respecced to dps. I would have loved to respecc to dps, but there is only a dual specc in WoW.
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Dual specc interlude:
I always was an opponent of dual specc. I want one persistent character in an MMO. Not an entity for my arcade gaming. But since Blizzard already crossed that line, there is no reason to limit the number of my speccs any longer. My character in WoW now offcially is my entity for arcade gaming. So please allow me to use that dps specc without teleporting to town before and changing glyphs. Dual specc is bad, but not better than triple specc, or anynumber-specc.
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So I healed and .. wiped the raid.
Thing is that Magmaw does a Pillar of Flame and I missed that pillar. Again. and. Again. and. Again.
Sometimes I saw it on my monitor just the second it would explode. Mostly I wouldn't see it until it exploded! My groupmembers didn't seem to have a problem with it. But my success rate at escaping it, even while concentrating on doing this and almost nothing else, was about 20%.
I don't even think it is about reaction time. On the usual online tests about reaction time I score a mediocre average, but nothing abysmal. It was about the pattern recognition in my brain. That Pillar of Flame effect on the ground would just be ignored by my brain. Among all the green and blue player-made circles, massive sparkle, enchanted weapons swriling and firebreath and fireballs that obfuscated my view I just didn't see that pattern !!
After the like 10th try and getting tired of apologizing to the raid (damn, I have a reputation to lose! :), I just went to the melees. The thing is that we have had only one melee in the 10-man raid and the event is (as usual) seriously scripted. There is a predifned area for melee where they are not hit by that Pillar of Flame. Since Wow is unable to see that I am actually a healer, just standing where melees are supposed to stand, it worked. At least now we wiped for other reasons.
I have no doubt that we will down this boss within the next few days. But without a better boss mod (will try BigWigs instead of Deadly Boss Mods) that turns my monitor flashing like a rainbow sending thunder to my headphones I don't think I'd ever have a chance to reliably escape that Pillar of Flame. My brain's just not good enough.
Now, of course I more than ever would love to actually find a triple-A fantasy MMORPG that puts those scripted encounters in the trash can. The only fucking (I am european I may write those words) difficulty in these encounters is execution. You know exactly what to do, like in a choreography, it's just that a fraction-of-a-second pattern recognition and reaction is required and one out of 10 or 25 people usually fails at it. I'd prefere to actually talk about strategy more which is only possible with unpredictable encounters (internet). Encounters and dungeons need to be created by a computer on-the-fly.
But that's not the only problem here. I wiped at Baron Geddon in MC with 40 people where somebody ALWAYS forgot to run out of the group when he was the bomb. It wasn't much of a problem for me then. But it was as lame - if not worse, wasn't it ?
I think it is really about my expectations of entitlement. In 40-man MC I didn't exspect the boss to go down. It was a big fantasy fight and even though I'd give my best you would usually lose. You woudn't win any reasonable amount of epics, anyway. I didn't do MC to play WoW, but did MC while playing WoW. Nowadays endgame is what I do in WoW and if I fail at it I get .. sad.
I also did not organize these things in MC. I was just one of 40 people hitting some buttons. I don't organize our raids today, either, but I usually have a lot of smartass ideas about how to handle encounters better and thus I do take responsibility. It's that things go wrong that I feel responsible for to not go wrong. It is even worse if they go wrong because of me. But what's really, really bad is when you fail repeatedly without any hope to do better the next try, because you actually have yet to see that pillar of flame in un-exploded form!!
I'll get over it. Fortunately for Blizzard there's still PvP to do. Even though those 45 minutes rated BG queues for Horde are a bit silly. I'm pretty sure Titan won't have factions the way WoW had. From a gameplay point of view they are a pain in the ass and, surprisingly, even Blizzard hasn't crossed the line yet and allowed Horde to fight against Horde to take control over Warsong Gulch for the ... Horde.
During an extended weekend I started to do PvE in Cataclysm. My druid has itemlevel 345 for tanking/dpsing and healing equip. That equip is well gemmed and enchanted. I've spent quite some gold and even more time and was confident that I am well prepared for raiding.
My equip probably was. But I was not. The first thing we did was tanking Omnitron Defense System. We wiped an entire evening, but got him down the second night. Not too bad for our guild. As a tank you sometimes have to be fast, but it was manageable. You needed to stop autoattacking at some points, which required me to get that autoattack button on my UI. As soon as we managed to disrupt some rather fast spells in a rotation everything went fine.
Then we went to Tol Barad and onehitted that PvP boss there. Easy going. On the next night we went to Halfus Wyrmbreaker in the Bastion of Twilight. After some inital problems with the trash that we sorted out rather fast, we started some tries.
Woah!
That guy hits like a truck, his dragons hit like a truck and generally, it seems our equip is just not ready. Our healers go oom within 30 seconds without producing a lot of overheal. Maybe the problem was that my tanking partner, has went for maximum life instead of maximum avoid, like I did. He had some 20k HP more, but ate some 10-30% more damage. What is OP in this fight is a paladin that can remove the healing debuff on the tank. Since both tanks get this debuff two paladins would be even better. It is also possible that the debuff is simply bugged. Judging from the tooltip it is supposed to be applied by Halfus attacks, but regardless of those attacks being dodged, the debuff is still stacked!
Anyway, what was very hard here, again, was interrupting the boss in a rotation. Rotations are necessary, because even with the relative short interrupt cooldown that bears have (10 seconds) we can only interrupt every second spell. Even one such spell going through is almost unhealable (massive AoE attack on the entire raid).
After two hours we managed to kill the first dragon, but there are two more to go, a second phase after than and possibly an enrage timer. With our current equip (and the way it was customized by the raid) this seems impossible from a healer PoV.
So we moved on the Blackwing Descend once again. Magmaw would be the boss that would make me ask whether I am too old for raiding. Since you only need one tank for the boss, I respecced to healing and a healer respecced to dps. I would have loved to respecc to dps, but there is only a dual specc in WoW.
----
Dual specc interlude:
I always was an opponent of dual specc. I want one persistent character in an MMO. Not an entity for my arcade gaming. But since Blizzard already crossed that line, there is no reason to limit the number of my speccs any longer. My character in WoW now offcially is my entity for arcade gaming. So please allow me to use that dps specc without teleporting to town before and changing glyphs. Dual specc is bad, but not better than triple specc, or anynumber-specc.
----
So I healed and .. wiped the raid.
Thing is that Magmaw does a Pillar of Flame and I missed that pillar. Again. and. Again. and. Again.
Sometimes I saw it on my monitor just the second it would explode. Mostly I wouldn't see it until it exploded! My groupmembers didn't seem to have a problem with it. But my success rate at escaping it, even while concentrating on doing this and almost nothing else, was about 20%.
I don't even think it is about reaction time. On the usual online tests about reaction time I score a mediocre average, but nothing abysmal. It was about the pattern recognition in my brain. That Pillar of Flame effect on the ground would just be ignored by my brain. Among all the green and blue player-made circles, massive sparkle, enchanted weapons swriling and firebreath and fireballs that obfuscated my view I just didn't see that pattern !!
After the like 10th try and getting tired of apologizing to the raid (damn, I have a reputation to lose! :), I just went to the melees. The thing is that we have had only one melee in the 10-man raid and the event is (as usual) seriously scripted. There is a predifned area for melee where they are not hit by that Pillar of Flame. Since Wow is unable to see that I am actually a healer, just standing where melees are supposed to stand, it worked. At least now we wiped for other reasons.
I have no doubt that we will down this boss within the next few days. But without a better boss mod (will try BigWigs instead of Deadly Boss Mods) that turns my monitor flashing like a rainbow sending thunder to my headphones I don't think I'd ever have a chance to reliably escape that Pillar of Flame. My brain's just not good enough.
Now, of course I more than ever would love to actually find a triple-A fantasy MMORPG that puts those scripted encounters in the trash can. The only fucking (I am european I may write those words) difficulty in these encounters is execution. You know exactly what to do, like in a choreography, it's just that a fraction-of-a-second pattern recognition and reaction is required and one out of 10 or 25 people usually fails at it. I'd prefere to actually talk about strategy more which is only possible with unpredictable encounters (internet). Encounters and dungeons need to be created by a computer on-the-fly.
But that's not the only problem here. I wiped at Baron Geddon in MC with 40 people where somebody ALWAYS forgot to run out of the group when he was the bomb. It wasn't much of a problem for me then. But it was as lame - if not worse, wasn't it ?
I think it is really about my expectations of entitlement. In 40-man MC I didn't exspect the boss to go down. It was a big fantasy fight and even though I'd give my best you would usually lose. You woudn't win any reasonable amount of epics, anyway. I didn't do MC to play WoW, but did MC while playing WoW. Nowadays endgame is what I do in WoW and if I fail at it I get .. sad.
I also did not organize these things in MC. I was just one of 40 people hitting some buttons. I don't organize our raids today, either, but I usually have a lot of smartass ideas about how to handle encounters better and thus I do take responsibility. It's that things go wrong that I feel responsible for to not go wrong. It is even worse if they go wrong because of me. But what's really, really bad is when you fail repeatedly without any hope to do better the next try, because you actually have yet to see that pillar of flame in un-exploded form!!
I'll get over it. Fortunately for Blizzard there's still PvP to do. Even though those 45 minutes rated BG queues for Horde are a bit silly. I'm pretty sure Titan won't have factions the way WoW had. From a gameplay point of view they are a pain in the ass and, surprisingly, even Blizzard hasn't crossed the line yet and allowed Horde to fight against Horde to take control over Warsong Gulch for the ... Horde.
Wednesday, December 15, 2010
They did it
So Blizzard did it. They made heroics challenging - and not just a little. I have yet to do a DF-heroic, because I don't consider it possible that it is a pleasing experience. I've done five heroics with my guild (that is not hardcore at all) so far. These 5 heroics were difficult for us, we wiped a lot, but we completed every single one.
Healers can heal almost anything now, but they run out of mana within seconds if they do. Tanks can tank a lot, but only with cooldowns. There are moving patrols! The bosses are actually (even) harder than the trash!
What I don't like so much is that they are as linear as every dungeon since end of classic and that some encounters require very fast reactions. Yesterday we were wiped 6 times in a row by a boss that required us to move out of a instant-death AE. To do that we would need to use his damage reflection shield, to put a DoT on us. Why? Because the boss would stun us before the AE and the only way to get out of the stun was to take damage.
Try to communicate this to a random dungeon finder group .. no, thanks.
Moreover, this is annoying even for us, because you know exactly what to do, but since there are five players who need to do this about 10 times in a row, even a small probability of individual error will make you wipe. Then there's lag and some other mechanics that also needed attention. This kind of boss feels too much like an arcade reaction game. But then .. I am about to accept that WoW really is no MMORPG any more, but a MOG.
For a long time .. 4 years? .. I complained about WoW moving farther and farther away from a virtual world and becoming more and more an arcade game. By now it is so far removed that I start to think of WoW as an arcade game with RPG elements and as such it is rather nice.
I will certainly continue to play this game until a polished AAA fantasy MMORPG comes out (if within my life time ... ).
Raiding:
Sunday evening I was tanking the first 10 man of our guild. We managed to down four .. trash mobs. Four, because those two respawned after 2 hours.
The Omicron Defense System is kinda neat. But these tiny things you need to move out of or need to move the boss out of within half a second are quite annoying. With our rather bad equipment that was hardly enchanted/gemmed and consisted of several greens this boss did not allow any kind of error. We did manage to get a stable 5 minutes boss fight, but eventually somebody made a mistake and we wiped. I don't think we ever got the boss below 50% HP.
Remember that world class guilds have already cleared the entire raid content Cataclysm offers. So it is not technically impossible, just .. difficult.
What I am really looking forward to is rated BGs instead of those scripted predictable boss fights that tend to become boring if you farm them and annoying if you don't manage to farm them. The amount of 'interesting decisions' I am confronted with during a raid encounter as tank is very limited. It is mostly when to use what tanking cooldown. The rest of the things I do are not 'interesting decisions', but things I must do and sometimes fail to do. The healing game seems to incorporate more 'interesting decision', so perhaps I'll try that eventually.
What is fun for a while is theorycrafting about tanking stats, but there are several reasons to consider it a moot point. Raids don't wipe, because the tank is hard to heal: They wipe, because the rest of the party takes too much damage.
Leveling:
It took me exactly two days to get 85, doing and reading every quest in every zone. Then it took me another day until I had done all the (obvious) quests of Cataclysm and got that achievment. Nice story. 100% linear, but I like it. Blizzard doesn't want the players to create the story, so it is only consequential that they do it and to do it well linearity is necessary. Unfortunately, although I forced myself to read every single quest text, the memoriey are already fading. Blizzard are still bad at story telling most of the time.
Blues:
Not the sound, the items! I don't wear a single epic at the moment and look forward to gain my first one. This is, however, not Cataclysm game design. It is just the first few weeks. With the second tier raids everybody will be full epic again.
Concluding,
I am not certain Blizzard will leave current heroic content unnerfed. There are powerful exspections of entitlement and the hard heroic content doesn't fit the arcade-like game WoW has become. In a virtual fantasy world it makes sense that the evil is hard to beat. In an arcade-like game it doesn't. The daily heroic suggests that you 'should' do that daily heroic dungeon and combined with the WotLK experience this is a deadly mix. Subscriber numbers will drop. And I am not certain they will raise again (at least not due to this feature). Difficult 5-man content, that plays a major role in a 'daily quest', doesn't work. It certainly doesn't work with an anonymous dungeon finder and an arcade-like game with RPG elements.
Healers can heal almost anything now, but they run out of mana within seconds if they do. Tanks can tank a lot, but only with cooldowns. There are moving patrols! The bosses are actually (even) harder than the trash!
What I don't like so much is that they are as linear as every dungeon since end of classic and that some encounters require very fast reactions. Yesterday we were wiped 6 times in a row by a boss that required us to move out of a instant-death AE. To do that we would need to use his damage reflection shield, to put a DoT on us. Why? Because the boss would stun us before the AE and the only way to get out of the stun was to take damage.
Try to communicate this to a random dungeon finder group .. no, thanks.
Moreover, this is annoying even for us, because you know exactly what to do, but since there are five players who need to do this about 10 times in a row, even a small probability of individual error will make you wipe. Then there's lag and some other mechanics that also needed attention. This kind of boss feels too much like an arcade reaction game. But then .. I am about to accept that WoW really is no MMORPG any more, but a MOG.
For a long time .. 4 years? .. I complained about WoW moving farther and farther away from a virtual world and becoming more and more an arcade game. By now it is so far removed that I start to think of WoW as an arcade game with RPG elements and as such it is rather nice.
I will certainly continue to play this game until a polished AAA fantasy MMORPG comes out (if within my life time ... ).
Raiding:
Sunday evening I was tanking the first 10 man of our guild. We managed to down four .. trash mobs. Four, because those two respawned after 2 hours.
The Omicron Defense System is kinda neat. But these tiny things you need to move out of or need to move the boss out of within half a second are quite annoying. With our rather bad equipment that was hardly enchanted/gemmed and consisted of several greens this boss did not allow any kind of error. We did manage to get a stable 5 minutes boss fight, but eventually somebody made a mistake and we wiped. I don't think we ever got the boss below 50% HP.
Remember that world class guilds have already cleared the entire raid content Cataclysm offers. So it is not technically impossible, just .. difficult.
What I am really looking forward to is rated BGs instead of those scripted predictable boss fights that tend to become boring if you farm them and annoying if you don't manage to farm them. The amount of 'interesting decisions' I am confronted with during a raid encounter as tank is very limited. It is mostly when to use what tanking cooldown. The rest of the things I do are not 'interesting decisions', but things I must do and sometimes fail to do. The healing game seems to incorporate more 'interesting decision', so perhaps I'll try that eventually.
What is fun for a while is theorycrafting about tanking stats, but there are several reasons to consider it a moot point. Raids don't wipe, because the tank is hard to heal: They wipe, because the rest of the party takes too much damage.
Leveling:
It took me exactly two days to get 85, doing and reading every quest in every zone. Then it took me another day until I had done all the (obvious) quests of Cataclysm and got that achievment. Nice story. 100% linear, but I like it. Blizzard doesn't want the players to create the story, so it is only consequential that they do it and to do it well linearity is necessary. Unfortunately, although I forced myself to read every single quest text, the memoriey are already fading. Blizzard are still bad at story telling most of the time.
Blues:
Not the sound, the items! I don't wear a single epic at the moment and look forward to gain my first one. This is, however, not Cataclysm game design. It is just the first few weeks. With the second tier raids everybody will be full epic again.
Concluding,
I am not certain Blizzard will leave current heroic content unnerfed. There are powerful exspections of entitlement and the hard heroic content doesn't fit the arcade-like game WoW has become. In a virtual fantasy world it makes sense that the evil is hard to beat. In an arcade-like game it doesn't. The daily heroic suggests that you 'should' do that daily heroic dungeon and combined with the WotLK experience this is a deadly mix. Subscriber numbers will drop. And I am not certain they will raise again (at least not due to this feature). Difficult 5-man content, that plays a major role in a 'daily quest', doesn't work. It certainly doesn't work with an anonymous dungeon finder and an arcade-like game with RPG elements.
Friday, December 3, 2010
WoW is Challenging ... sometimes
Yeah - WoW is challenging. And I am not talking about that minigame called heroic raids. I am talking about leveling. More precisely, leveling dungeons. Unfortunately, it depends on the dungeon and your level. A lot!
I made a druid some week ago and started to level. While the new quests were interesting and sometimes even fun, the overpowered gameplay during leveling was simply too boring. Add to that that becoming stronger makes the problem only worse. So questing stopped to be fun.
So I decided to heal some dungeon groups. I knew that would only worsen the gameplay while doing the new quests, but .. well. Shit happens.
So here I am, a level 15 healing druid and for the next 5-10 levels the game is actually fun. Immersion is bad, because there are now monkeys mining ore and boss fights are more colorful than a rainbow, but the difficulty is ok for a beginner random dungeon group. Not exactly challenging, but I do need to use a healing spell from time to time.
Then, suddenly, level 30-45. I can't believe this! The Paladin tanks (there are only paladin tanks right now at horde side (!), don't need any healer any more! Neither needs the rest of the group a healer. A joke by Blizzard ?
I am already condemning Blizzard, when I reach lvl 45: Stratholm.
I realize that tank is taking damage. Not just a little, but WOAH!!
I need to use instants, cooldowns. I calculate my healing/mana on the fly to determine my most efficient heals. It is crazy. I need to innervate myself, even use mana potions. No wipes. Once a DD dies, because I cannot afford to heal him from a mana point of view. That is the WoW I love. That is classic World of Warcraft: Letting the dps die on purpose to save the mana for the tank. Now that is an interesting decision.
I want to find out whether this is just due to bad equip, so I inspect the tank: Full heirlooms! And he even plays rather well, nothing fancy, but very solid! He occasionally uses his instant heal, not only to heal himself, but members of the group!
Sure, we don't use CC and we don't pull, but run into groups. But that's normal for the random dungeon finder.
During the dungeon I mention that I love that difficulty. First time anybody talks. Some two minutes later the tank responds: "I hate it".
That's where we are.
Nerf incoming, my friends ;)
I made a druid some week ago and started to level. While the new quests were interesting and sometimes even fun, the overpowered gameplay during leveling was simply too boring. Add to that that becoming stronger makes the problem only worse. So questing stopped to be fun.
So I decided to heal some dungeon groups. I knew that would only worsen the gameplay while doing the new quests, but .. well. Shit happens.
So here I am, a level 15 healing druid and for the next 5-10 levels the game is actually fun. Immersion is bad, because there are now monkeys mining ore and boss fights are more colorful than a rainbow, but the difficulty is ok for a beginner random dungeon group. Not exactly challenging, but I do need to use a healing spell from time to time.
Then, suddenly, level 30-45. I can't believe this! The Paladin tanks (there are only paladin tanks right now at horde side (!), don't need any healer any more! Neither needs the rest of the group a healer. A joke by Blizzard ?
I am already condemning Blizzard, when I reach lvl 45: Stratholm.
I realize that tank is taking damage. Not just a little, but WOAH!!
I need to use instants, cooldowns. I calculate my healing/mana on the fly to determine my most efficient heals. It is crazy. I need to innervate myself, even use mana potions. No wipes. Once a DD dies, because I cannot afford to heal him from a mana point of view. That is the WoW I love. That is classic World of Warcraft: Letting the dps die on purpose to save the mana for the tank. Now that is an interesting decision.
I want to find out whether this is just due to bad equip, so I inspect the tank: Full heirlooms! And he even plays rather well, nothing fancy, but very solid! He occasionally uses his instant heal, not only to heal himself, but members of the group!
Sure, we don't use CC and we don't pull, but run into groups. But that's normal for the random dungeon finder.
During the dungeon I mention that I love that difficulty. First time anybody talks. Some two minutes later the tank responds: "I hate it".
That's where we are.
Nerf incoming, my friends ;)
Monday, November 29, 2010
Random Thoughts on the Shattering
- The Undead starting experience is really good now. Having said that, I wanted to play a Druid in Cataclysm to be able to fulfill each role. Therefore I stopped playing my Undead when the starter story was finished. Highly recommended for everybody, though.
- I somehow dislike the look of the Troll feral forms (except for flight form!). I also didn't like their starting zone. It feels wrong to fight lvl 85 bosses at level 6.
- The Tauren starting zones are not so well. I still made a tauren Feral Druid and got him to level 34.
My impressions:
- Mulgore hasn't changed a lot.
- Azshara is concentreded coolness. Too much for me. I liked to play through it, because it was new, but I won't do it again. Coolness is good. To concentrate it like that is a mistake. It hurts immersion.
- I dismissed Durotar, as I hate to quest by onehitting mobs.
- Northern Barrens haven't changed much.
- Ashenvale has changed quite a bit and also is a lot of fun.
- Stone Talon Mountains. WTF! Phenomenal. Was there a moment were Blizzard excelled at story telling? For the first time since - I don't know. That big bomb has a story that you will not be able to foresee. Incredible for WoW.
- Southern Barrens has changed a lot. Also nice story line so far.
I generally like the leveling a lot. I do, however, have a big, really big problem.
I level too fast. (No, I do not use heirlooms).
There is no way I can do battlegrounds without outleveling a zone. In fact, I can only do each dungeon once when it is green, if I want the questmobs to stay yellow/green. Things like heirlooms/resting experience or even RAF look like a penalty. This is really a problem. Not just for me. There is a large threat at EU forums about it.
My suggestions on how to fix this:
- Cut exp gain by 50%.
- Require all characters to do all important questlines in a zone before being able to level beyond it.
My practical, diplomatic suggestions on how to fix this:
- At character creation allow me to lock a certain exp penalty. For example by 25%, 50%, 75%. If such a character reaches max level he receives an achievement and a title (yeah, yeah and a lot of pets).
- Eliminate or drastically reduce exp gain from doing dungeons/battlegrounds.
- Increase character power at level 1 massively, to be able to reduce character power gain during leveling. There is no reason a mob 5+ levels below you is a onehit.
It has to be hoped that Blizzard sorts this issue out. It is no fun to have to pick between doing battlegrounds/dungeons or having yellow mobs to kill. Leveling is already too 'easy' to be immersive. It becomes absurd if killing a mob feels like killing a mosquito. Actually I killed a few green mobs yesterday with resurrection penalty and it was enjoyable. I got to use my abilities and there was no danger of dying whatsoever.
Generally, I want to be able able to do at least one finishing move every now and then and I would like to enjoy becoming more powerful. The last few days I often forgot to go to the trainer, because the only thing I could do to kill mobs, anyway, was mangle spam.
Oh, one last thing:
The dungeon mobs have been iterated and now those bosses sometimes live up to a minute. As a healer you sometimes even need to watch your mana. Not as 'hard' as I would like it, but a definite improvement. Let's just hope they do the same with open world mobs.
- I somehow dislike the look of the Troll feral forms (except for flight form!). I also didn't like their starting zone. It feels wrong to fight lvl 85 bosses at level 6.
- The Tauren starting zones are not so well. I still made a tauren Feral Druid and got him to level 34.
My impressions:
- Mulgore hasn't changed a lot.
- Azshara is concentreded coolness. Too much for me. I liked to play through it, because it was new, but I won't do it again. Coolness is good. To concentrate it like that is a mistake. It hurts immersion.
- I dismissed Durotar, as I hate to quest by onehitting mobs.
- Northern Barrens haven't changed much.
- Ashenvale has changed quite a bit and also is a lot of fun.
- Stone Talon Mountains. WTF! Phenomenal. Was there a moment were Blizzard excelled at story telling? For the first time since - I don't know. That big bomb has a story that you will not be able to foresee. Incredible for WoW.
- Southern Barrens has changed a lot. Also nice story line so far.
I generally like the leveling a lot. I do, however, have a big, really big problem.
I level too fast. (No, I do not use heirlooms).
There is no way I can do battlegrounds without outleveling a zone. In fact, I can only do each dungeon once when it is green, if I want the questmobs to stay yellow/green. Things like heirlooms/resting experience or even RAF look like a penalty. This is really a problem. Not just for me. There is a large threat at EU forums about it.
My suggestions on how to fix this:
- Cut exp gain by 50%.
- Require all characters to do all important questlines in a zone before being able to level beyond it.
My practical, diplomatic suggestions on how to fix this:
- At character creation allow me to lock a certain exp penalty. For example by 25%, 50%, 75%. If such a character reaches max level he receives an achievement and a title (yeah, yeah and a lot of pets).
- Eliminate or drastically reduce exp gain from doing dungeons/battlegrounds.
- Increase character power at level 1 massively, to be able to reduce character power gain during leveling. There is no reason a mob 5+ levels below you is a onehit.
It has to be hoped that Blizzard sorts this issue out. It is no fun to have to pick between doing battlegrounds/dungeons or having yellow mobs to kill. Leveling is already too 'easy' to be immersive. It becomes absurd if killing a mob feels like killing a mosquito. Actually I killed a few green mobs yesterday with resurrection penalty and it was enjoyable. I got to use my abilities and there was no danger of dying whatsoever.
Generally, I want to be able able to do at least one finishing move every now and then and I would like to enjoy becoming more powerful. The last few days I often forgot to go to the trainer, because the only thing I could do to kill mobs, anyway, was mangle spam.
Oh, one last thing:
The dungeon mobs have been iterated and now those bosses sometimes live up to a minute. As a healer you sometimes even need to watch your mana. Not as 'hard' as I would like it, but a definite improvement. Let's just hope they do the same with open world mobs.
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