tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7801344413612447717.post4636817112586074673..comments2024-01-18T16:20:09.743+01:00Comments on Nils' Blog: What Games Are: ChessNilshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06468755466492675831noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7801344413612447717.post-44128613273799750542011-10-31T09:08:13.805+01:002011-10-31T09:08:13.805+01:00Hagu, when I say 'social' I mean interacti...Hagu, when I say 'social' I mean interaction with other players. In this context cheating or deceiving someone is social. <br /><br />Whether the social experience is an enjoyable one certainly depends on the player. The <b>are</b> people who like to play chess against each other. They enjoy the company even if eventually one of them loses.<br /><br />Not everybody has a big problem with losing ;)Nilshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06468755466492675831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7801344413612447717.post-14293023057876131402011-10-31T07:51:18.645+01:002011-10-31T07:51:18.645+01:00I do not see chess as social; it is a zero-sum PvP...I do not see chess as social; it is a zero-sum PvP game. <br /><br />For example, take bridge. You are bonding with your partner. In fact, better bridge players are trying to, within the rules work better together . Whereas if I am so frustrated/angry/ashamed I lost to my opponent is going to spend 20 hours polishing my Caro-Kann or Smith-Morra , I see that more as competitive than social.<br /><br />I.e., I can not see wanting to play chess on a first date with someone I "wanted to get to know better"Haguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03726885305104254286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7801344413612447717.post-8757190155098386072011-10-31T01:33:34.770+01:002011-10-31T01:33:34.770+01:00This is an interesting series of posts, but I'...This is an interesting series of posts, but I'm not quite getting the goal/journey part of this one.<br /><br />The entire point of chess is that it's fun to play. I.e., the "journey" is supposed to be enjoyable. And if chess is fun, then why does it matter whether it increases your social standing?<br /><br />Also, there's no shame in losing a game of chess. And even if there were, then every game played with other people has the same issue. How is that a flaw?<br /><br />On the simulation issue, I agree with Doone. Some games simulate something, but not all do (abstract strategy games don't, for example). So I don't think simulation is an essential element of a game like rules and goals are.<br /><br />Great series of posts, by the way.Tolthirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08186401981818820178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7801344413612447717.post-19994345602353873502011-10-30T17:48:59.913+01:002011-10-30T17:48:59.913+01:00I think simulation gaming is a genre but that not ...<i>I think simulation gaming is a genre but that not all games need a compelling simulation. I'm not sure though. </i><br /><br />I agree with this. I don't think I said anywhere that all good games have a strong simulation. That would not true at all.<br /><br />However, almost all games have some kind of simulation background. Even Tetris profits from the fact that it makes sense to us that blocks stop going down when they hit something.<br /><br />Hell, even Poker has a tiny simulation background left when you look at the cards and which cards are best.Nilshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06468755466492675831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7801344413612447717.post-66301379360513356342011-10-30T17:45:23.600+01:002011-10-30T17:45:23.600+01:00Interesting start, but I'm waiting to see wher...Interesting start, but I'm waiting to see where this series ultimately goes.<br /><br />One thing to add: Chess appeals to a very specific demographic of people. That includes those who don't play the "games" many of us do who read these kinds of blogs. I think its clear that video games are supposed to be intellectually stimulating. That's why video gamers are usually nerds. On the other hand, athletes call their games Sports, which is why (at least stereotypically) we don't expect those kinds of people to necessarily love video games. One is a game primarily for the mind, the other a game primarily for the body. That's not the suggest in any way that both don't use both. It's just a way of saying that the different kinds of games appeal to different kinds of people based on the kinds of stimulation they like. <br /><br />Games as simulations ...maybe you can do another piece on this? I read one you posted a while back, but I think this is worth reconsidering. I think simulation gaming is a genre but that not all games need a compelling simulation. I'm not sure though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com